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The Mystery of Lawlessness

Dear Brother in Yeshua (Jesus Jewish name),

Regardless to how anyone kept the commandments in 1st or 2nd century, the truth is the truth.The sabbath was given as a "covenant" sign a term unfortunately many Universalist-New Age Christians have no regard for. If you are in a covenant relationship you must keep the terms of the covenant = the 10 commandments (not the 10 suggestions), can't change them to suit our fancy.

Sabbath keeping was very much a part of 1st century Christians lives:

Wherefore my judgment is, that we trouble not them that from among the Gentiles turn to God; 20 but that we write unto them, that they abstain from the pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from what is strangled, and from blood. 21 For Moses from generations of old hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath.
Acts 15:19-21 (ASV)

Now when they had passed through Amphipolis and Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica, where was a synagogue of the Jews: 2 and Paul, as his custom was, went in unto them, and for three sabbath days reasoned with them from the Scriptures,
Acts 17:1-2 (ASV)

There's plenty more evidence of the manners and customs of 1st century believers, right in our blessed scriptures. Remember this one thing, the problem is the last days is not legalism but LAWLESSNESS = anomia = No Law! free to do whatever you want ideology. That's why we have gay preachers, gay Christians, Racist Christians etc....

Lastly, a person can twist the scriptures, but Kepha (Peter) issues a warning to the twisters:

Therefore, beloved, since you are waiting for these, be diligent to be found by him without spot or blemish, and at peace. 15 And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, 16 as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures.
2 Peter 3:14-16 (ESV)

Love Always,

P.S. Keep the Sabbath

Asher

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Jan 18, 2012
 and the greatest of all IS Love
by: Asher

Thank you, Paul and Sam for the opportunity to fellowship and dialogue. I couldn't respond anymore graciously than Sam.

Gal 5:6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything, but faith working through love

Agape,

Asher
Jan 18, 2012
 ...and the greatest of these is Love
by: Sam

Paul, I've been a reader of this page for quite some time. I've benefited greatly from your knowledge and research and have often wished that we were friends in "real life" as I'm pretty sure we would enjoy each others' company.
With that said, your comment humbled me and I've decided to let this one go.

I don't for one second doubt that Asher is a brother who is trying to live out his faith to the best of his ability before God. And though I believe I am right in my beliefs (as I'm sure he believes he is), because he's not basing his salvation on Torah keeping, I believe we can both have our convictions without becoming an offense to one another.

God bless you Asher.

And God bless you Paul!
Please know that I'm praying for your health.
Jan 18, 2012
 Speechless ... Thank you!
by: Paul Pavao (webmaster)

I have to express my utter speechlessness here. I have been involved in Sabbath discussions for years, and there is no subject more rabidly handled by Christians.

When I saw Sam's post, I thought, "Uh, oh. Here we go."

The next day, I saw that there were 10 comments, and I went to the control panel figuring I'd probably have to delete all of them.

I am astounded by your graciousness. To be honest, on this subject I have never, not once in 17 years on the internet, seen two opposing Christians discuss the Sabbath civilly.

I always wonder for myself why people like you two don't pick up on my original post, which seems to me to exactly answer the questions you discuss (how does one use the Law today), as well as being based on the teachings of the earlier Christians, but I'm going to leave that alone.

I don't know if others have had different experiences from me, but I've had a LOT of experience on the internet, and those are the most gracious ten posts on the Sabbath I have ever seen, and not a one of them is stupid or silly. All are honest and with thought.

I'm simply astounded. Maybe I shouldn't be, but I am.
Jan 17, 2012
 Time Constraints
by: Sam

I thank you for responding and giving me a name to call you. Unfortunately for me, I have a commitment I must keep at this time. I would like to respond to you sometime tomorrow so please stay tuned.
Blessings.
Jan 17, 2012
 The Great "I AM" = God doesn't change
by: Asher

Ex 3:14-15 God said to Moses, “I am who I am.” And he said, “Say this to the people of Israel, ‘I am has sent me to you.’ ” God also said to Moses, “Say this to the people of Israel, ‘Yahweh, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.’ This is my name forever, and thus I am to be remembered throughout all generations.

God wanted Israel to know by His eternal name He is the self sustaining, unchanging one. Who was, Who is and Who is to come.

God doesn't change. Consider for a moment a God that keep changing the terms of an agreement (covenant). "What pleases me now may not please me 100 years from now". A God that gives a definition of marriage, only to change it thousands of years later. I'm not condemning anyone, I just want to point out how man's theology trips up the pure undefiled word of the Most High.

We as Gentiles are invited not compelled to enter into a covenant relationship with the God of Israel through the blood of the Lamb. The very same covenant relationship as Israel. The no covenant for the Jews and one for the Gentiles.

Romans 3:29-30 Or is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also, since God is one—who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through the same faith (emphasis mine)

Agape,

Asher
Jan 17, 2012
 Some of the Law
by: Asher

In response to "some" of the law, I would like to keep it in context. Some of the law doesn't apply to me because I'm not in Israel, Some of the laws don't apply to me because I don't menstruate etc....So I can only do "some".

The bottom line is this my beloved brother Sam. The mystery foretold by our brother and fellow bond-servant Paul is one of Law-LESS- ness (I'm not shouting just emphasizing Paul's words) not Legalism (2 Thess 2:7-12). Lawlessness is a-nomia a state of being without law.

Romans 6:18-19 Having been set free from sin, have become slaves of righteousness. 19 I am speaking in human terms, because of your natural limitations. For just as you once presented your members as slaves to impurity and to lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves to righteousness leading to sanctification

The process of salvation must start somewhere, I would rather encourage a sinner to start to keep some of the teachings of Our Blessed Savior with the hopes of coming in full compliance Much like James ruling in Acts 15:

Acts 15:19-21I judge: not to trouble those who from the nations do turn back to God, 20 but to write to them to abstain from the pollutions of the idols, and the whoredom, and the strangled thing; and the blood; 21 for Moses from former generations in every city hath those preaching him--in the synagogues every sabbath being read.'

The idea was it doesn't have to be all or nothing, a teaching which the religious leaders in Galatia were teaching. Some I'm in agreement with James the righteous some is better than none.

Agape in Our Messiah,

Asher

Jan 17, 2012
 Pedagogue
by: Asher

Sorry about the confusion Sam. It's me Asher.

The word "tutor" in Galatians comes from the Greek paidagogos. A Paidagogos is a type of caretaker entrusted with supervising and directing a child's conduct and moral behavior, used figuratively of the Torah (often poorly translated as law) in the book of Galatians.

The wealthy in ancient greece would hire a pedagogue to keep their son out of trouble on his way to school e.g.

Galatians 3:23-24 can be translated: But before faith came, we were kept protected under the torah, being kept inside the faith which was later to be reveald. Therefore the torah has become our caretaker to lead us to Christ, so that we maybe justified by faith (trust).
Jan 17, 2012
 Being Historically Correct
by: Asher

I'm glad you've had the opportunity to fellowship with other Christians from the Messianic faith. I am a Messianic Gentile (not born a Jew).

I have no intention to bring anyone "under the law". I would just like to bring a fresh look at our Christian History. The Foundation of our faith is Jewish. Jesus was Jewish and when he returns he will still be Jewish (the Lion from the tribe of Judah). Our scriptures are Jewish except for Mark and Luke. So in order to understand this amazing book, we have to go back 2000 yrs to the land and the people.

What often happens is we bring the book to us, in the 21st Century and read it with a Western mind. Ultimately what happens is we're far removed from the faith that was once delivered to the Saints.

Furthermore, our modern day translations are translated with the same error. Don't get me wrong, can one find the path that leads to life everlasting reading a NIV,KJV, NASB yes! Yet without proper studying & understanding of the scriptures a person can fail to understand the original intent of the author of what ever book he/she is reading.
Jan 17, 2012
 Slight Confusion
by: Sam

First let me say that I have no idea if I'm responding to one person or two as both posts are by "Anonymous". Let's use some kind of name to avoid confusion, ok?

Regarding keeping "some" of the Law: James says "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all." James 2: 10
So trying to keep some and saying we can't keep it all is not a good argument. At that point you're just picking and choosing what to obey and saying that we can't keep some of them because we don't have a temple is irrelevant. You're either keeping them all or you're a Law breaker. As I said earlier, the Jews in Israel get this. It actually troubles them during the Day of atonement because it constantly reminds them that they're in trouble if they can't go to temple and sacrifice for their sins.

That's why I asked earlier if you "Torah Folks" had tzidt-tzidts or mezuzzzahs. If not, why not?

Paul's words are crystal clear and we don't need to try to figure out what he "really" meant. The Law is good because it reflects holiness (God) and shows us how far we are from that standard. We are under the Law while we are non-Christians but when we are saved we are no longer under the Law. Our relationship to God changes from being one of works to grace and THANK GOD for that.
Jan 17, 2012
 Can't follow the "Law"
by: Anonymous

I agree I can't follow the whole law for a number of reasons:
1. There is no temple
2. Some parts of the law apply to the Priests, other parts to women, and other parts to the layman.
3. There is no Sanhedrin (Ordained Magistrates) today
4. Some parts of the law apply to those only in the land of Israel

While on the other hand, there are some that I can keep. What I want to make clear NO ONE CAN KEEP THE LAW PERFECTLY. I only know of one who did that and his name is Yeshua (Jesus) the Messiah.

With that being said, what function/roll should the law (teachings and instructions of God) have in my life:

The Torah trains in Righteousness (2 Tim 3:16-17)
Teaches the life style of Godliness (Mal 4:4)
A source of blessings in my family's life and mine (Lev 26, Deut 28)

Most importantly it points to Yeshua (Jesus):
Luke 24:44-45 “These are my words that I spoke to you while I was still with you, that everything written about me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.” 45 Then he opened their minds to understand the Scriptures!
Jan 17, 2012
 Grace vs. Law?
by: Anonymous

Grace is not contrary to the "Law" (Strong's #H8451 and #G3551 = teachings and instructions of God)

In Christianity it is often taught, before Jesus came, people earn salvation by keeping the Law and now Grace cancels the Law (teachings and instructions of God)

It's by grace (unmerited favor) all come to the Lord for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.

On the other hand, Grace is contrary to Legalism.

Legalism is the concept of earning salvation by being "good" enough e.g. "Good people go to heaven.Bad people go to hell."
"The way to get to heaven is by being a decent person."
"If your a good enough person, you can be pretty sure you will go to heaven when you die."
Jan 17, 2012
 Thank you.
by: Sam

Thank you Anonymous for your concern.
As I have had this discussion ad nauseum on other forums, I'll keep this response brief - not to be rude but rather to be succinct.

I believe I have a pretty strong grasp on the Messianic and Hebraic Roots movements. I've studied the theories behind each group and how they interpret Scriptures.

Torah is in fact good because God gave it. However, Paul tells us it's purpose. Please excuse my caps as they are meant to draw attention to Paul's words. I am not shouting.

"But BEFORE FAITH CAME, WE WERE kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. Wherefore the law WAS our SCHOOLMASTER to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. BUT AFTER that FAITH is come, WE ARE NO LONGER under a schoolmaster." Galatians 3: 23-25

As Paul is very clear to tell us that we (Christians) no longer need this schoolmaster (that would be the role of the Holy Spirit now), I feel no obligation to try to follow something that it is humanly impossible to do.

There are many other verses that I could use but I wanted to keep this brief.
Jan 17, 2012
 Torah and Law: are not the same
by: Anonymous

Greetings Sam! In the name of Our Father and His blessed Son Our Savior Yeshua (Jesus). First I would like to say thank you for taking the time to read my link and thank you to Paul for keeping it active.
I'm not sure what bible study tools you use for your time of devotion & study, but may I recommend Strong's Concordance, the Theological Workbook of the OT and NT (I'm serious I'm not trying to be arrogant). If you have these tools then we can stick to the facts.

Fact#1: The word translated "Law" is Torah in hebrew. Torah is a very broad term. To put it simply Torah means teachings and instructions.

In reference to the "Law" this is what paul wrote:

Romans 7:7-12What then shall we say? That the law is sin? By no means! Yet if it had not been for the law, I would not have known sin...So the law is holy, and the commandment is holy and righteous and good.

Jan 17, 2012
 Works related faith
by: Sam

For all those who hold to a New Covenant obligation to observe Saturday - you claim you do it be cause it's part of Torah and God commanded it.
Well, I'm sure you're aware that God gave not just 10 but 613 commandments.
Are you following all of them?
Do you wear tzidt-tzids?
Do you have mezuzzahs?
If your answer to those two questions was "no", then why not? Those are parts of God's Law that you claim to follow?
Men - do you have short hair? Do you clip the sides of your head to match the back?
Law breaker!
Facts: There is no temple, no high priest, no sacrificial system in place to atone for sins.
YOU CANNOT FOLLOW THE LAW TODAY.
The nation of Israel knows this.
Why don't you?
Oct 14, 2011
 Speechless
by: Asher

Sounds like you've been studying pretty extensively. So I guess there's not much to say. Enjoy your studies.
Oct 14, 2011
 My Turn
by: James Harvey

I haven't read all of the above.

But I would add that if you want to start to observe these feasts and Sabbaths because they are fulfilled in Christ, go ahead; just don't force me to do the same. I am a Gentile not a Jew. But a Gentile who has been grafted into the Jewish Branch by means of faith.

If you want to observe these feasts and Sabbaths in order to be justified before God then you need to re-read the Apostle Paul's letters to the Romans and Galatians and re-read Acts 13-15 when the apostles and elders settled the matter.

I am very much aware of the Hebrew Roots movement and have studied much what is taught and have gleaned much from them to aid in understanding of cultural and social issues.

The understanding of the writings of the fathers up to and including Nicea are very interesting and much needed in today's Christiandom.

May 21, 2011
 One-sided Conversation
by: Paul Pavao

You wrote that it was Paul's custom to keep the Sabbath, contrasting that with Rev. Eubanks statement that Paul went to Jewish services on the Sabbath to minister to the Jews.

Then you quote Acts 17:1-3, which says Paul went into the Jewish synagogue 3 weeks in a row, "as was his custom," in order to reason with them from the Scriptures.

Obviously, that passage fits what Rev. Eubanks said perfectly well. That's not a refutation of what he said or any evidence for what you said.

The fact is, Acts 21 indicates that Paul, as well as the rest of the apostles, probably kept the Sabbath. So quoting Acts 21 would be fine, but the fact that you quoted Acts 17 is indicative that we're not having a conversation. The things you're saying be satisfactory to you, but you're not the only one in this conversation.

Finally, the apostles keeping the Sabbath doesn't change the fact everything, both New Testament and historically, indicates the churches of the apostles met on Sunday. Perhaps this habit was even started because the Jewish believers in Jerusalem would have been in synagogue on Saturday.
May 21, 2011
 Are we going to start sacrificing or stoning people?
by: Anonymous

No, I don't believe we are to start sacrificing or stoning people! I believe the Law of God (Moses was just a mediator) is good for revealing sin and human frailty (Romans7:7), trains in righteousness 2 Tim 3:16-17, and most importantly points to Jesus and his salvation plan (Luke 24:44-45).

A most unfortunate lost of translation is the term "law" (root word is Strong's Hebrew # 3384) used in many translations of the bible. A person that studies to show themselves approved before God (2 Tim 2:15), will purchase a Strong's concordance and look up the word "Law" and discover the word "Law" should be understood to mean "teachings and instructions".

So every time a person say "The law is done away with!", they're essentially saying the "teaching and instructions" of God is done away with. Which is why the Church has the same number of divorce as those in the world, the same amount of abortions, same amount of children born out of wedlock etc...

Which is why we must, be transformed by the renewing of our minds, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God [emphasis mine]. (Romans 12:2)

We need to take a day at a time living in the grace of God. Now is the time to try and live righteous & holy lives in the sight of God. When we fall short i.e. sin, we ask for forgiveness and we will be forgiven = Grace.In the end, Jesus will see our hearts, and justify us before the Father in heaven.

Ignoring His commandments saying the aren't relevant, will only bring about condemnation.
May 21, 2011
 Christ's Law replaced the Law of Moses?
by:

Let me start by saying I do care about the truth and you (that's why we're blogging each other, plus I'm having fun)

My goal through scripture is to prove, Jesus was a observant Jew as well as his disciples.

Consider something with me for one moment; Would the community of Judea consider Jesus a prophet (John 4:19,6:14) if he was trying to replace, or do away with their very way of life (the Torah a.k.a Law)

The next thing worthy of consideration is, Jesus was without sin = an unblemished lamb. Now I would like to use "biblical terms" not my own words to define what sin is: Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.1 John 3:4 (KJV)

Lastly, Jesus's disciples all observed the Laws as well as proselytes. Paul let's at how the Apostle Paul lived his life after Jesus death and ascension:

I point this out to Rev. Eubanks but I think he missed it, Paul's "custom" i.e. his way of life, was to observe the sabbath, contrary to what Rev. Eubanks stated, "Paul went to their services to minister to the Jews":

Acts 17:1-3And having passed through Amphipolis, and Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica, where was the synagogue of the Jews, 2 and according to the custom of Paul, he went in unto them, and for three sabbaths he was reasoning with them from the Writings, 3 opening and alleging, `That the Christ it behoved to suffer, and to rise again out of the dead, and that this is the Christ--Jesus whom I proclaim to you.' (YLT)

Paul observed the law and offered sacrifices after Jesus' death:

Acts 21:17-24 And when we were come to Jerusalem, the brethren received us gladly. 18 And the day following Paul went in with us unto James; and all the elders were present. 19 And when he had saluted them, he declared particularly what things God had wrought among the Gentiles by his ministry. 20 And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, Thou seest,brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law: 21 And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs. 22 What is it therefore? the multitude must needs come together: for they will hear that thou art come. 23 Do therefore this that we say to thee: We have four men which have a vow on them; 24 Them take, and purify thyself with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave their heads: and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the law. (KJV)

Think about these think's and let us reason from the blessed scriptures Paul.
May 21, 2011
 What's amazing
by: Paul Pavao

Actually, what's amazing is your ability to completely ignore what was said then make pronouncements.

Did you read the link I sent? Do you have any clue what's being said in Matthew 5:17?

Obviously, you didn't and you don't. You just assumed that you're talking to a Baptist or something.

Far from completely ignoring it, I take Matthew 5:17 in context, in a natural sense, and exactly as it's meant. You, on the other hand, must be taking Col. 2:16 in a completely ridiculous sense that has nothing to do with what it says because you think you understand Matthew 5:17.

So here I offer a point of view that is confirmed in the apostolic churches and that takes both Matthew 5:17 and Col. 2:16 equally literally, and is confirmed by the rest of Matthew chapter 5, but ***you won't even look at it***!!!

And all the while you pretend to care what's true. Now that's amazing.
May 21, 2011
 The Spirit vs The Letter of the Law
by: Anonymous

Matt 5:17-48 as indicated illustrates the intent or Spirit of the Law. Our Savior and Master came to clarify what most followers of the God of Israel misunderstood. e.g. instead of not carrying out the act of adultery (letter of the law) he wanted true believers to have a change of heart (spirit of the law) and not ever allow that thought to germinate in one's mind.

It's quite interesting how people (yourself included) read the opening phrase of Matt 5:17 and totally ignore it:

DON'T EVEN THINK I CAME TO ABOLISH THE LAW!

What do the "Theologians" do? The say he abolished the law.

Part of the problem is, in the heart of Christianity is approximately 1500 years of anti-semitism imbedded in it, planted by the "Church Fathers" . Subsequently, rather than looking at the words of our Master in His context (a Jewish one) His words are interpreted from a Greco-Roman context.

(Note:I love and have a deep concern for my christian brothers and sisters in Christ, I'm just stating the facts)
May 21, 2011
 The Spirit vs The Letter of the Law
by: Anonymous

Matt 5:17-48 as indicated illustrates the intent or Spirit of the Law. Our Savior and Master came to clarify what most followers of the God of Israel misunderstood. e.g. instead of not carrying out the act of adultery (letter of the law) he want true believers to have a change of heart (spirit of the law) and not ever allow that thought to germinate in one's mind.

It's quite interesting how people (yourself included) read the opening phrase of Matt 5:17 and totally ignore it:

DON'T EVEN THINK I CAME TO ABOLISH THE LAW!

What do the "Theologians" do? The say he abolished the law.

Part of the problem is, in the heart of Christianity is approximately 1500 years of anti-semitism imbedded in it, planted by the "Church Fathers" . Subsequently, rather than looking at the words of our Master in His context (a Jewish one) His words are interpreted from a Greco-Roman context.

(Note:I love and have a deep concern for my christian brothers and sisters in Christ, I'm just stating the facts)
May 21, 2011
 Matt. 5:17-48 (not just 20)
by: Paul Pavao

There's an understanding of Matthew 5 that seems to have been passed on by the apostles. All the early churches knew about it, it fits what Paul writes about the Law, and it takes Matthew 5:17-20 in its very natural, plain sense.

It incorporates the rest of Matthew 5 as an explanation of Matthew 5:17-20.

In other words, it meets every possible test of a solid interpretation of Scripture, and it's the only understanding that can make a solid historical claim to have been taught by the apostles.

It's explained at https://www.christian-history.org/law-of-moses.html

It seems unwise to ignore it.
May 21, 2011
 Don't be the least in the kingdom
by: Anonymous

Matt 5:17-20
17 ?Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19 Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. (ESV)

A thorough historical investigation will reveal Heaven nor the earth has ever past away (yet!)
May 21, 2011
 G-d blessed the Sabbath, not man
by: Anonymous

The Seventh Day, God Rests
1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2 And on the seventh day God finished his work that he had done, and he rested on the seventh day from all his work that he had done. 3 So God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it God rested from all his work that he had done in creation. Gen 2:1-3 (ESV)

G-d not man blessed this day and set it apart. This act was done before there were Jews or Hebrews. At this time there was only mankind. And the Sabbath was made for man.

Whatever G-d blesses man can not change, so just keep it and enter the blessings of our heavenly Father and His blessed Son.
May 16, 2011
 Keeping the Sabbath
by: Paul Pavao

Thanks for the input, Steven!

I've never gotten around to answering the original post. It's my opinion that my original article on the Sabbath answers it quite sufficiently.

Asher here says that the Sabbath was a sign of the covenant. So it was! But we have entered a new covenant, a spiritual one that both replaces and grows from the old, fleshly one, made for an earthly people living in an earthly kingdom.

The New Law (Heb. 7:12) is for a spiritual people and a spiritual kingdom. In it, we no longer make vows and fulfill them. We fulfill our every word. We also no longer enter a physical rest, but a spiritual one (Heb. 4), and we keep perpetual Sabbath.

Asher accuses people of twisting Scripture, but twisting Scripture does not equate to disagreeing with 7th-day believers! Twisting Scripture is disagreeing with apostles, and I believe what the apostles taught is not very doubtful.

The fact is, Col. 2 says that the old Sabbath was a shadow of things to come. There's a lot of dancing around that verse that 7th-day believers do, but only a small amount of research establishes that it's just dancing. Again, I address that in the original article on the Sabbath.

Keep the faith!

Paul "Shammah" Pavao
May 16, 2011
 The conclusion of the matter
by: Asher

Here's the situation, this can go on and on; You have your heels dug in your view point and I have mine dug into my own.This won't bear any good fruit. The person(s) that read our postings has the responsibility to rightly divide the word and seek truth and not doctrines.

In closing, it's not a matter of Sat vs Sun, rather a matter of obedience. A person can worship, study, fellowship any day of the week, but we're obligated to enter the rest of our Father, that was created FOR man i.e. all mankind Jews and gentiles alike.

Thank you for posting my comments.

In Messiah Yeshua
May 15, 2011
 The First Day of the Week!
by: Rev Steven Eubanks

Yes it says they met on the Sabbath that is the day the Jewish services were held and if Paul was to speak to them he had to go to their service. It was the traditional day for Jewish worship. BUT, the early Church met in homes on the first day of the week. THE DAY OF THE RESURRECTION!

However, the New Testament makes it clear that the observance of a particular day was not imposed as a binding obligation. Romans 14:5-6 makes it clear that there was some freedom in the matter of special days. Colossians 2:16-17 commanded the church not to allow anyone to act as their judge in regard to sabbath days. And Galatians 4:9-10 warns against going back under the Law by insisting on the legal requirement of special days.

The records that remain in the New Testament show that the first day of the week soon became a day of worship. When Paul wanted to collect an offering from the church at Corinth, he asked them to gather the money on the "first day of the week" (1 Cor. 16:2). And when he wanted to meet with the believers at Troas, the gathering took place "on the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread" (Acts 20:7).




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